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DezNat and Why the Fight for Affirmation Matters

 Tyler Perry

Update: After speaking with Hanna Seariac, she has denounced the DezNat movement, and I have apologized for the insinuation that she is a part of the movement. This article has been changed to reflect that.
Update: There is a factual historical error that indicated Churchill, not Chamberlain, practiced the policy of appeasement. This error has been corrected.

My gut instinct is to classify Deseret Nation, a group that codes itself with the hashtag DezNat (which looks like DeezNutz lol), as a hate group.  It is certainly a fascist bunch of right-wing ideologues wrapped in the vestments of Mormonism and pseudo-intellectualism.  They view LGBT affirmation as a step toward apostasy, and apostates are to be the most hated of all.

If I were to compare DezNat to other fascist movements, I would say that they are looking for a solution to the “apostate question”.  This is seen in the memes they share, the comments they make, and the videos they post.

I am a little bit concerned about giving them a platform or giving them more recognition.  However, I agree with the idea that fascist ideologies ought to be snuffed out before they have a chance to grow, and the best way to do that is to engage with and refute those ideas in a public space.  Furthermore, DezNat has a little under 800 likes on its Facebook page, and my blog posts tend to get just a bit north of 100 views, so, if anything, pissing them off might just get my blog more attention.

DezNat is the sort of group that Brigham Young would approve of.  They are opposed to Black Lives Matter.  They despise LGBT people, even if they would cloth that hatred in the usual Mormon sophistry.  Above all, they have nothing but contempt for apostates.  They feature a so-called “Apostate of the Week” on their Facebook page, usually featuring someone with more intelligence than the collective DezNat movement can muster, who they try to mock and ridicule in order to feel better about themselves.  I think that DezNat has a “Make Mormonism Great Again” attitude that would like to see the church return to its 1977 state.  You know, before Declaration 2 hit store shelves in a quad near you.

And the more that I learned about DezNat, the more I realized that my gut instinct was correct.  This is the alt-right or other white nationalist movements, but with the trappings of Mormonism.  Wolves in sheep’s clothing.  For the uninitiated, like myself just a few days ago, it can be shocking to see that such a group exists within Mormonism.  But I want to take you through some of the beliefs and recent posts of this hate group and make a case for why the fight for LGBTQ affirmation within the church matters.

Part 1 – On the Origin of the Fascist

To explain how the alt-right and fascism has worked itself into the minds of some more fundamentalist Mormons, I want to tell you a little story.  I could go into the history of how the group started and their hero worship of the Danite extremists of early Mormonism, but Wheat and Tares already did a fantastic job of that.  I will link to their article in the references section below [1].

Instead, I want to tell you about a 16-year-old Mormon kid with a strong conservative political stand.  He was president of his debate club, but his worldview was shaped by the ideas of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Bill O’Reilly.  This young Mormon chap had a certain fire for the Gospel of Jesus Christ that he wanted to see consume the world.  And it fed into his politics.  He believed that drug users were victims of their own bad decisions alone, full stop.  He believed that abortion was murder, with possible exceptions for cases of rape and incest.  He also stood in pickets to oppose same-sex marriage.

On his mission, he used this type of thinking to blame the people who would not listen to his teachings, for whatever reason, on their corrupt worldviews.  He believed them to be wrapped up in the whispers of the devil, and, having rejected him, they deserved the punishment from heaven for their rejection of “the one true church”.

I often wonder what that kid would have become if he had lived in the age of Twitter and Trump.  Would he have become an alt-right hardliner, sticking it to the libtards?  Would he have fallen into the incel camps as he struggled to find success in dating?  Would he have been among the first to bring that type of thinking to a new alt-right movement within Mormonism?

Fortunately for our protagonist, he learned a lot about other people on his mission, and, while he did hold antagonistic views at first, he learned to see others for who they were.  Though a hardline conservative who believed that illegal immigration was morally wrong, he found it hard to square that line of thinking with the faces of illegal immigrants who invited him into their homes to break bread.  Though he blamed drug users for their own failures with drugs, he learned to treat people who used drugs with compassion and empathy.

When his two years of missionary service were done, the seeds were sown that would change his heart.

It also helps that it would turn out that he was like really super gay.  Gays are not exactly the most welcome bunch in incel or alt-right, neo-fascist hate groups.  And the rise of Trumpism in the Republican party almost forcefully pushed him out of his old conservative ways of thinking, into a whole new world.  A new… fantastic point of view…

The thing that scares me is that I was one gay gene away from falling off the wagon and into the twisted morality of DezNat.  Apart from the fact that this is a group that definitely would want to see people like me wiped from existence, the thing that I find so repugnant about the group is that I could have been any one of them.

These ideas spring up from a genuine desire to serve God and to spread his Gospel.  People who join this group are not, at least for the majority of them, joining them because they wish to harm people.  However, once they start to join this community, they find themselves uniquely welcomed.  They support Trump because he’s the Republican, and at least he isn’t Hillary Clinton, could you imagine?  But they see the way that other members of the church are critical of Trump.  They know that same-sex marriage is wrong, but all around them are Mormons who are becoming more and more welcoming of LGBT members.  And some of them may even have friends who have read the CES Letter and decided that Mormonism just isn’t true.

And that is a moral failing that terrifies them.  If someone could go from believing that the church is true, like they do, to believing that it isn’t, are they safe?

And so DezNat provides this useful vocabulary that helps DezNat followers to differentiate themselves from the pack.  You see, your standard, garden-variety Mormon is called a “Mormie”, which is a play on the word “normie”, taken from right-wing forums.  Then you have your progressive Mormons, or “ProgMos”.  These are the people who believe that the church is true, but that there are some practices, like the lack of queer affirmation, that just need to go.  ProgMos are trying to change the purity of their beautiful and perfect church.  They are enemies to be stopped, especially before they become the ultimate enemy.

The apostate or the “exMo”.

Now, apart from the fact that all of this nomenclature just flies in the face of Russel Nelson’s opposition to the use of the word “Mormon”, this special set of vocabulary helps members of DezNat to differentiate and elevate themselves above the pack.  It’s this language that makes them believe that they are superior to their Mormie friend who read the CES letter and became a deplorable exMo who just trolls Reddit to complain about the church.  I mean, you can leave the church, but you can’t leave it alone, right?

I believe fear is a great motivator for people in these groups.  I mentioned the fear that maybe you could fall away just like those around you who have done just that.  There is another fear, and it is one that Trump and alt-right ideologues have tapped into: the fear of the other.  The alt-right does not trust immigrants, they opposed taking in Syrian refugees, they oppose same-sex marriage, believe in “Biblical gender roles”, blame the Chinese for COVID-19 but also think it’s a Democrat hoax, and they do not support Black Lives Matter.

And it takes only a few moments on the DezNat Facebook page to come across comments like this:


This is a rather unique take on the BLM movement.  Instead of the focus on the supposed Marxist ideas in BLM, an idea that echoes Ezra Taft Benson’s opposition to the Civil Rights Movement for much the same justification (in 1965, by the way) [2], DezNat believes that BLM is anti-family.  This is the same sort of coded language that they use to attack LGBT people and apostates.

This type of thinking does not address the real concerns that people who support BLM have about society.  Even if the “official BLM organization” is Marxist (not a claim that I am agreeing with or opposing, just a premise I am willing to grant), that does not mean that the adversity that they have faced is not real.  It does not mean that the problems that they are speaking up about are fictitious.  This type of language protects DezNat followers from addressing the concerns of the other, because they are afraid.  If you accept BLM, like the ProgMos do, are you going to start on the path to becoming an apostate?

Part 2 – Apostasy

Apostasy in Mormonism is a somewhat fascinating study.  There are some so-called apostates who broke off because they felt betrayed by Joseph Smith.  After all, Joseph’s polygamy was a poorly kept secret, and his affair with Fanny Alger, a then-14-year-old girl, continues to be a sticking point for many members and ex-members of the church to this day.

Others left because they did not accept the calling of Brigham Young as Joseph’s successor.  Many believed that Joseph’s son, Joseph Smith III, was the rightful successor, and this has its roots in the order of succession demonstrated in the Book of Mormon.  For instance, Alma to Alma, Alma to Helaman, Helaman to Helaman, Helaman to Nephi, and Nephi to Nephi before Jesus showed up.  Why should the modern-day church be any different?

Other apostates broke off when the polygamy ban was released in Declaration 1, forming the Fundamentalist sect of the LDS movement.

The General Handbook has a fairly specific description of an apostate.  In November 2015, that description included those who had entered a same-sex marriage.  That policy was rescinded in 2019.  The current definition of apostasy is someone who “engages in:

  • Repeatedly acting in clear and deliberate public opposition to the Church, its doctrine, its policies, or its leaders
  • Persisting in teaching as Church doctrine what is not Church doctrine after being corrected by the bishop or stake president
  • Showing a pattern of intentionally working to weaken the faith and activity of Church members
  • Continuing to follow the teachings of apostate sects after being corrected by the bishop or stake president
  • Formally joining another church and promoting its teachings (Total inactivity in the Church or attending another church does not by itself constitute apostasy. However, if a member formally joins another church and advocates its teachings, withdrawing his or her membership may be necessary.)” [3]

This begs an interesting question.  Am I an apostate?

In 2005, John Dehlin, a graduate of BYU, began the Mormon Stories Podcast as a means of sharing questions and concerns about church history and doctrine.  He appeared to have started the movement as a means of combatting his faith crisis.  Almost 10 years later, however, John Dehlin was excommunicated for apostasy, even though he protested the charges to the First Presidency [4].

If John Dehlin is an apostate, then what am I?

I have not tried to lead people out of the church, but I have openly criticized church teachings and policies.  I suppose if a stake president wanted to excommunicate me, this blog would be all the evidence he would need.  But is it possible that there is one stake president who would excommunicate me for apostasy and another who would seek a lesser disciplinary action?  If that is possible, how are we to know who the apostates really are?

Just who is the other?

Part 3 – Homosexuals and Apostates

I noted earlier that the alt-right and fascists are obsessed with this fear of the other.  They use coded language to identify an in-group, and anyone on the out-group is part of the collective other.  They are grouped into sub-categories, and then the worst of the worst, the group that you blame for all of the problems that your in-group faces, is the group you target the most ruthlessly.  It helps if the Overton window is shifted so that that group is generally seen as contemptuous by the average citizen, “normie” in alt-right circles, “Mormie” for DezNat.


Apostates are certainly enemy number one for DezNat, but they have a fear of homosexuals as well.  They are the sorts of people who believe that there is a gay agenda, and even though they are completely right about that, I mean I got mine laminated after the first meeting I attended, they are wrong to think that that agenda includes them.

Honestly, my gay agenda just says that I need to do the dishes.  I had to go to the not being an asshole agenda to find the plan to fight back against DezNat.

This is a group that believes that BYU, the seventh-most LGBT-unfriendly university in America [5], is somehow being taken over by homosexuals and apostates.  This is the university that just took gay students on an abusive roller coaster of near-acceptance before ripping the rug out from under them in February 2020.  This is the university that DezNat is afraid will be lost to them.

Part 4 – Making Headlines

Like I said at the beginning, I only recently learned about DezNat.  This is hardly a comprehensive assessment of the movement, and, if my efforts here support the countermovement for stopping these guys, I will continue to write about them.

What brought the group to my attention was an article in ABC 4 News from Utah that managed to make its way into newsfeed from an ocean away [6].


This petition was started by Hanna Seariac, who is not a part of the DezNat movement and has denounced them, and Tristan Mourier, who made waves when he decided to shout The Family: A Proclamation to the World at BYU students protesting the abovementioned abuse of LGBT students at the university.  I am not doxing these individuals, nor am I advocating any harassment of them whatsoever.  Neither of those acts would be ethical or productive to the dialogue.  I name them because the ABC 4 News article names them.  They chose to make themselves known.

And just a little bit of scrolling through the DezNat Facebook page will help you to find them as well.  DezNat has sought to use Hanna as a figurehead, despite her objections to many of the group's actions and views.  Again, please do not use this information to harass them.  They may be engaging in extremely harmful behavior, but they are victims of a far-right ideology that has been imposed on them by circumstances they are not in control of.  They can choose what to do with that, and, I would contend that they have made poor choices so far, but I happen to know someone who was like Hanna and Tristan who is now fighting back against those ideas.  I am much more interested in working to help Hanna and Tristan become allies in this fight.

Hanna and Tristan’s petition is a pointless media stunt, and it has the unfortunate consequence of inspiring their DezNat peers.  BYU’s policies are already sufficiently anti-queer and anti-apostate without needing any help from additional sources.  If they manage to get the needed signatures, which, to date, it does not appear to have done so, what policies would BYU actually change?  Would the Honor Office expel apostate students even more?  Would it force LGBT students to be even more in the closet?

But this isn’t about logic or rationality.  This is about fear.  DezNat is afraid.  They are afraid that the homosexuals and the apostates are going to come for their way of life.  They are afraid that the fabulously gay grad students are going to change their beloved BYU forever.  Worse, what happens if the gays and apostates get their way, and the temple starts to have gay sealings?  What will happen then?

Part 5 – Jacob, Leah, Rachel, and the Handmaidens

In Margaret Atwood’s The Handmaid’s Tale, we follow the story of the handmaid Offred, who is given to a faithful man in the fictional nation of Gilead, a theocratic dictatorship born of the ashes of the fallen American Republic.  I am much more familiar with the Hulu Original series than I am with the novel, so, when I refer to The Handmaid’s Tale, it will be to the show, not the book.  Clear?  Sorry to all you book lovers out there.

The imagery of a handmaid has been used in recent protests of abortion bills and of Brett Kavanaugh.  I am a fan of the protests since it speaks volumes using a simple image from a popular series.  The political discussion around the show, especially in the age of Trump, is fascinating.

I, however, find the religious aspect of the show even more interesting.  As someone raised in a high demand religion who would either have to flee to Canada or be placed in a labor camp or be executed simply for who I am under such a regime, it fascinates and terrifies me to see those ideas justified with scripture.

Before the handmaids are ritualistically raped, a scripture is read to justify the act, and a prayer is uttered.  “Blessed be the fruit.”  “May the Lord open.”

The story of Jacob and how his children were conceived serves as the primary justification for the plight of the handmaids.  Religion is used to justify rape.  Religion is used to justify bigotry.  Religion is used to justify murder.

Perhaps you think that such an ideology does not exist in our world, or, at least, not in America.  Those sorts of ideas are Islamic and fundamentalist, right?

Perhaps you have heard of the Make America Straight Again conference that was held in Orlando in 2019 on the anniversary of the Pulse night club shooting?  If not, I will include a link to Jimmy Snow’s Pumpkin Saga, which is my favorite exploration of that event [7].  The summary is that a group of right-wing pastors decided to hold a conference to affirm their belief that queer identities are invalid.  They held it on an auspicious date in an auspicious location.  There was purpose in their hatred.  And they used religion to justify it.

How many steps are they from Gilead?

Worse still, they intend on hosting a second Make America Straight Again conference in October this year.  The hatred has not subsided.

How many steps are they from Gilead?

So, when members of DezNat put together a petition to create an artificial controversy to leverage their religion to express their hate of gay people, why are we surprised?  Why are we surprised that a religion that has spent decades denying queer identities now has an infestation of alt-right bigots in their ranks?

How many steps are we from Gilead?

Part 6 – Affirmation Matters

If you are one of those that DezNat would label as a Mormie, I am hoping to reach you with this article.  The ProgMos and the exMos are already on the anti-DezNat bandwagon.  They see them for the threat that they are.  You, however, might be thinking, so what?  This is a relatively small group of weirdos that is at least defending the church.  I mean, they might be a bit overzealous, but yeah, I agree, the church is often under attack and persecuted by the world.  I believe that marriage is supposed to be between a man and a woman.  And Russel M. Nelson is definitely a prophet.  So why should I care about a small group of zealots that is going to support my beliefs?

Honestly, I understand why you would think that.

Except, you are not one of them.  You are part of the collective other.  Right now, DezNat has its attention focused on apostates and homosexuals.  They routinely attack progressives, hoping to eliminate progressive movements in the church.  If they succeed at that, you will be the next on their hit list.  They are not fans of you either.

Because you are not as zealous as they are, you have the potential to become an apostate, and that makes you dangerous.  You are not their enemy today, but you will be the enemy tomorrow.

And you can choose to try to handle this situation with appeasement, like Neville Chamberlain tried with Nazi Germany.  Or you can recognize this threat for what it is, a threat against you, and a threat against people that you care about.

Before I came out to my family, I often heard comments about how it would be hard to have a gay member of the family.  I heard comments that were not meant to hurt, but they did.  They made me afraid of who I was, and they made me resent that part of myself that was different.

I have said it before in other essays and conversations with friends, I am one of the lucky ones.  I survived.  Odds are, you have an LGBT member of your family too.  With the advent of the internet, you may even have a member of your family who is moving toward apostasy.  Will you choose to hate them?  Or will you choose to love them?

If you choose the former, then you will be welcomed into DezNat, but you will be all the worse off for it.  But if you choose to love them, you will be hated by DezNat, and you will probably be saving a life.  Your affirmation of queer identities is not about what you believe or don’t believe.  It isn’t about your faith.  It is about saving the lives of those who are most vulnerable.

Affirmation matters because DezNat and other alt-right hate groups are going to try to tear people they hate down, and if we are divided against each other, they just might succeed.  And lest you forget, they hate you too.

Because you are the other.

Part 7 – Token Racism

Wheat and Tares discussed the question of racism in their post about DezNat, but this is the one area where I have to disagree with their analysis.  DezNat is not overtly racist, but they support racist ideas.  For instance, they use a hashtag, which Wheat and Tares notes as well, Brigham Young Did Nothing Wrong, or BYDNW.  Brigham Young was a well-documented racist.  It is so well-documented that it is hardly worth getting into the weeds on to prove [8].

Furthermore, as I stated previously, DezNat hates Black Lives Matter.  But I don’t think that that alone captures their growing racism.  No, if I wanted to do that, I would point to a meme like this:

DezNat may not have created the meme, but they shared it to positive reactions on their page.  In case you were not aware, the Confederate flag is a banner that was used by traitors who fought to uphold the racist institution of slavery in America.

DezNat does not engage in racial identity politics, not yet anyway.  However, they espouse ideas that are related to those movements.  For now, I will label this as “token racism” and bookmark this point for future edits as the movement evolves.

Conclusion

DezNat is a hate group that has taken root inside the Mormon movement.  It wears the vestments of Mormonism, but they are ravenous wolves.  If you are not a member of DezNat, they hate you.  That hatred is focused on apostates and homosexuals for the time being, but they will come for you if the opportunity presents itself.

This is a group that is, like other alt-right movements, motivated by fear.  They are afraid of people like me.  Personally, I find that entertaining and empowering.  However, I am concerned for the well-being of others in similar positions.  DezNat members, because of their fear, are prone to attacking people on social media.  Similar groups have stolen private information of their supposed enemies and published it online.  This is a group that sees people like me as less than human.

Are there some who are in it as part of some sort of joke?  Probably.  But when their Facebook page features video footage of a masked man burning a pride flag, images of a masked man wielding dual bowie knives, and memes that show their absolute hatred for apostates and homosexuals, you have to wonder how anyone ever thought the joke was funny.

 

References

[1] https://wheatandtares.org/2020/08/08/deznat-and-the-latter-day-saint-vigilante-tradition/?fbclid=IwAR0PUvETdiFIrdl3-JmRdRnvW5Mj0qQOl9xqDMB9I0GkKgzS2tdfwyl-mXY (retrieved 11 August 2020).

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zywvEpT6dow (It’s long, but the Red Scare and the association of the Civil Rights movement with communism is present)

[3] https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/general-handbook/32-repentance-and-membership-councils?lang=eng#title_number30 (retrieved 11 August 2020)

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dehlin (retrieved 11 August 2020)

[5] https://www.princetonreview.com/college-rankings?rankings=lgbtq-unfriendly (retrieved 11 August 2020)(down from #2 a few years ago, so maybe DezNat should be worried…)

[6] https://www.abc4.com/news/local-news/byu-students-start-petition-to-bring-university-back-to-christ-centered-education/amp/ (retrieved 6 August 2020)

[7] https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLToJ7-8RNgMPkYbGIJISJxFXyZQt9M95V (We still don’t know if Pastor Tommy McMurtry is sexually attracted to pumpkins, but it is the top recommended search when you Google him)

[8] https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Question:_Was_Brigham_Young_a_racist%3F (retrieved 11 August 2020) (Plot twist, I cite FAIR Mormon! And just scroll down a little bit to get a second witness to the idea that Benson considered the civil rights movement a communist plot!)

In addition, this is Hanna Seariac's message to me on the subject of DezNat:


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